Topic: I'm thinking about buying an iMac... Or building another PC

I've pretty much already got the computer ready to go, all the parts are picked out and sitting in a wishlist on Newegg... Complete with a 24" Samsung Monitor for roughly $1,200. And it's a hell of a machine, too.

Then I come back to a more subtle train of thought, and think about how much I've actually gamed in the last 4 years on my PC... None.

So, I'm browsing Apple's store, and I run across a refurbished 24" iMac, 4gb ram, 640gb hdd, blah blah blah.

For $1,200

If I want, I can install Windows on it, so I wonder, do I really want to build another PC, or just buy a Mac and be done with it?

Some people aren't really fond of the refurbished products, but anything I've ever bought from Apple refurbished has been good as new, so I'm not concerned about the quality.

Hell, they've even got a 21.5" iMac for $999. And these are current gen, too, not last generation.

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That's an amazing deal for the extra ram and HD space.  Get the iMac for sure.  I wouldn't even think twice about it.  I have a new PC laptop and it's a doorstop because I hate it so much.

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Personally, I would build a computer, but you should just get what you prefer since you'll be using it.

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Well, the way I think about it, I've had various Mac's through the years, but I never seem to hang on to them, I always go back to building myself a computer.

Then again, I'm not on it nearly as much as I used to be, and most of the time the only thing I use it for is email, music, and burning DVD's, etc.

It's not my main source of entertainment, it's a utility, I have a 360 now, so I never game on the PC.

I just think the iMac would be the easiest choice, and it wouldn't turn into a money pit.

Everytime I build a PC I end up spending thousands on it over a year or two, because there is always a new processor, faster ram, or better video card, and I have to have it, because I turn into a benchmark whore.

With the iMac, maybe I'd put a bigger hard drive in it, or change the ram.

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You crack open iMacs?

Brave.

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On newer macs, Macbooks, MacBook Pro, iMac, (dunno about the mini), adding memory (RAM) is as simple as taking a screw out of a side panel, etc.

They made it super easy. There is just a memory cover.

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You said hard disk.

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Well, if I wanted to replace that, I would.

I have no problem tearing into things, I replaced the battery on my original iPhone, I'm about to replace it on this.

I also upgraded the ram in my first Mac Mini, and the hard drive.

Taken apart dozens of laptops for various reasons... Anything that can be taken apart can be put back together, whether it be a computer, car, or... I don't know what else, a toaster.

It all goes back lol

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That's really neat. I'd be so scared to open an iPhone. I've heard that MacBooks are hard to put back together because the key spring out of place or something. Any truth in that bandage boy? Lolololol bandage boy.

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That was back when a bunch of people were haters.

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bandage boy? Holy crap that's from another era...Erik you were so fucking annoying when you came to the forums. Then again you were literally 13 years old or something, lol. I joined Funxbox sometime in 2002-2003, can't really remember when though...I was a freshman in high school and now I'm a senior in college. Time sure goes by fast.

I wish those old forums were archived somewhere, it would be so much fun to look through some of the old posts, and see what was going through my head all those years ago. Sometimes reading some of my old stuff on these forums (especially some of the more turbulent times of my senior year of HS) and I could only imagine what was written before. However there was an original Geekpub that went under...did Jason save that somewhere? It would be fascinating to see. But alas Jason is busy with his girlfriend. Speaking of which, this is a funny old thread (ignore talkc's original post and read the following posts up to Jason's). Pretty funny stuff in retrospect.

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LOL!  How neat that both those wishes came true. I too would love to see what ol cheesy had to say back then. I know I was a punk and had a Mohawk and long hair at one point. I used to have half of you guys on aim and msn. I really had fun though. It was really an important thing for me back then. I would post and refresh the page in anticipation. Now it takes a 200 dollar iPod and a joint to get excited about anything...lol.

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lol I still don't have a wife and kids, but Alex did graduate from college I think and Jason has a girlfriend. The irony is Jason was stating that the time in the future was so far away that something as improbable as him getting a girlfriend would happen. Now here we are a year after 2009 and I'm graduating from college heading head first into nowhere. (Not really but it sort of feels like that.)

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I feel the same way.  I, of course, didn't do as much college as you but I feel like I got to the end and eveything just stopped...so I stopped as well and resumed doing nothing and just going to NA meetings and doctors appointments.

I never knew Jason as well as everyone else but I used to go on his older website (the ones with pictures of his room) and download his apple advertisements he was hosting and know basically everything about his life and bedroom and old video games.  Never pictured a girlfriend but he's a snappy dresser after all.

I had no girl and no interest in girls (or boys before you jump on that...) back in the FXB days and in grade 10 I found my Faithy.  Now we are inseparable.  I got diagnosed with panic disorder around the same time I left here and went on some meds that messed me up (Zoloft) and it took awhile to find the right combo but I've been on a stable regimen of pills fo years now and everything is under control.  Then I developed the oxy habit and went through the natural progression.  I never did go on the methadone program and chose to kick almost cold turkey.  Retured from detox and resumed and finished my journalism course and here I am.

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I'd be remiss if I didn't throw in my vote for a Mac, but really, get what you like.

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Jason's getting an iPad...Jason's getting an iPad...

*repeat*

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When I graduate from college I really will be going no where, because I still don't know what I want to do with my life. I just know I want to do something significant and/or something that I enjoy.

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Eventually. I will wait and see how it develops. Especially when OS 4.0 comes out. I would also have to decide between a WiFi or a WiFo/3G model. But probably for what I would use it for, if at all, which would be in place of the iPod touch I am using all the time as it is, it wouldn't matter as I'd be home with it all the time anyway. I don't see myself carrying it outside so why spend money on 3G? The low end would probably be fine.

Of course, I'd have to make sure Kati wasn't gonna kill me if I did get it. lol

WHIPPED!

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I can at least talk about opening up the Macs, since I do that daily...

iMacs aren't too bad, the only thing that sucks is the glass. All the aluminum models started using a glass panel held on by magnets. The official way to remove it is with two suction cups, then keep it in an anti-static bag. I think with the newest model, since the glass reaches to the edges, you could pry it up. The hardest part is keeping it clean; the LCD creates static, which attracts dust to both the screen and the glass. The inner side of the glass and LCD panel are untreated, so you have to be careful cleaning them. We have a specialized silicon roller, but you could get away with compressed air and a lens cleaning cloth. Try to avoid getting finger prints on anything. Almost all the screws are torx 8 or 10, with some phillips #1, so make sure you have the proper screw drivers.

New MacBooks and Pros are actually really damn simple, especially models without the removable battery. If it has the removable battery, you take that out first, then 8 screws on the bottom panel, otherwise it's 10 screws on the bottom panel. There are 2 internal latches on either side, but they don't hold tight. Most screws are phillips #0, with some torx 6. The new unibody white MacBooks made it harder; they have torx 6 and 8, and phillips #0 and #00. The models without the user replaceable battery have unique screws for removing the battery; small tri-lobe for the MacBook and 13" MBP, 5-prong for the 15" MBP, and a large tri-lobe for the 17" MBP

Since you mentioned it, the Mac Mini is kind of a pain in the ass. The easiest way to open them is to use a grinder to sharpen two putty knives, then you use on on each bottom side to pry it open. The thing is set in two tiers, with the RAM on the bottom tier and the HD on the bottom side of the upper tier. It's just 4 screws to remove the top tier, and a few cables. The HD is a bit annoyingly placed, but not terrible.

I'd say, If you can give up fiddling, get the iMac, but if you can't, you won't be happy with it.

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That's the thing, I don't know if I'll be able to have a computer I can't overclock.

Right now I'm running my stock 2.8 Dual Core at 4Ghz.

It's just something I can't leave alone, hell, even my two video cards are overclocked to the point where I'm running after market heatsinks on them. I almost went to liquid cooling but it was too much work.

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By the way, fixing a computer after the liquid cooling unit leaks is shitty.

The iMac's HD and RAM are replaceable, that's about it. You could technically add a 3rd party optical drive too, but eh... The graphics card/heatsink is a separate chip, but it's a proprietary design, so I'm not aware of any upgrades for that, and the processor is soldered to the board, so those suck to replace, even if it's the generic Intel Core architecture.

But I mean, what do you need an overclocked processor and video card for though, if you use your Xbox for gaming? Even then, I can run a decent amount of games on my older MacBook Pro under Windows if I want, but if I'm playing a computer game it's probably WoW (OMG am I addicted to this again) and that runs on OS X.

So in conclusion, I'm a nerd.

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Yeah, I pretty much messed with this computer a couple years ago and I haven't touched it since. God knows how much power this thing sucks down when I encode a DVD to burn it. I've only got a 1000W power supply :laugh:

Anyways, the iMac I'm looking at is the 21.5" model, refurbished, for $999

It's got 4GB DDR3 (1333 I assume, and I also know two slots are open, I'll probably buy another 4GB), 500GB HDD, and the 3.06Ghz processer, etc, etc.

How do these things do as far as encoding goes? I like it because it has a quad core processor.

My current PC just has a dual core, which is great for gaming, but when it comes to encoding movies it really lags behind.

I torrent shitloads of movies, then use Nero to encode and burn them to a DVD at the moment. Even being OC'ed to 4Ghz, the encoding process takes anywhere from one to one and a half hours. I want to cut this drastically. Then again, I am encoding at high quality with 2 Pass VBR, otherwise they just look like shit.

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No idea how the encoding goes, I never really encode anything these days.

RAM is 8500. I had no idea they moved up to 4 slots on the new iMacs. It's always been 2, and none have broken for me to get a chance to work on one yet. I've looked up the manual from Apple, but those never really tell you much. I never go out on the sales floor to check out the demo models either, especially since it's a school bookstore and school just started up.

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The current iMacs are all DDR3, they're not DDR2 anymore, so yeah, 1066 is 8500.

And also, they are now four slots, two of which are left open. They are using two SO-DIMM DDR3 240 2GB modules.

You can go up to 16GB, but 8GB would be more than enough, hell, 4GB is probably cake.

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Wow, that's a big-ass RAM slot. Just went out and checked it out on our demo model.

I have 4GB and the only time it's not enough is when running VMs, and by that I mean multiple VMs. 8GB would prolly be great.

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Erik wrote:

That's the thing, I don't know if I'll be able to have a computer I can't overclock.

Right now I'm running my stock 2.8 Dual Core at 4Ghz.

It's just something I can't leave alone, hell, even my two video cards are overclocked to the point where I'm running after market heatsinks on them. I almost went to liquid cooling but it was too much work.

Why go through all the trouble if you don't do anything graphics intensive. It takes so much power to run your machine just to check email and go on facebook. Unless it's more of a hobby which is understandable.

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It used to be a hobby, and I used to game. I built this computer nearly two years ago. At the time, the two video cards I have in the computer were a little over $600 a piece.

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Too...much...nerd...stuff...

*head explodes*

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I've decided I don't really need a new computer. I'm going to upgrade my processor to a quad core and get 4GB more of ram, and be done with it.

The computer I'm using now is still faster than 99% of the computers out there. I can use the money I was going to spend for other things.

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Jesus Christ what kind of super machine do you need Erik? What do you do that requirs so much power?

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I built the PC for gaming a couple years ago. Then I started benchmarking, then I became a benchmark whore.

There's a whole enthusiast community out there that's all about having fast PC's, for instance the hardocp.com forums. What started as an $800 build turned into something over $2,400 within a couple months. You could build a computer right now for $600 that would play any game on the market with decent frame rates.

For $3,000 you could build your own PC that would rape a $5,000 Alienware, and that's where I was headed. With the tech that was available when I finished this computer, I had top of the line everything. Then you sit back and think, wow, most of my time spent with this thundering, tornado sounding machine, is going to be browsing the web and downloading music.

And then kick yourself in the ass. It's a really expensive hobby for someone in school.

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Not to mention, if you build a $3000 machine, you could turn around and try to sell it tomorrow, and maybe get $1,500 out of it... If you're lucky someone that knows what's in it might give you a little more.

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At least you're learning things while you do it.  Ever thought about a job doing that stuf?  You seem to know what you're talking about.

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From spring of 2008 to February of 2009 I worked for Alltel in the IT department, doing high level LAN stuff. Verizon bought Alltel winter of 2008, and in February they let me go. As of right now, over 4,000 people have been let go, it was big business in Little Rock, since that was Alltel's headquarters.

It was a really good gig while it lasted, but I've decided to go back to school. If I would have stayed there and not been let go, I would have probably continued to move up, and stayed there. This gives me a chance to get a degree and really get my foot in the door somewhere. It's becoming very hard to even get an interview without a 4 year degree. I have tons of certificates and a fair amount of experience for someone my age, but it doesn't count.

Wal-Mart also has their headquarters in Arkansas, and they have one great IT department to work for, also, the possibilities there are almost endless, so that's kind of where I'd like to be in five years.

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Beats the job opportunities in Cape Breton.  Even if I knew something about computers I'd never get a job.  There are no jobs left...and if you said "high level LAN stuff" to most employers around here they would think that you were talking about someplace high above sea level.

high level LAN-d...get it?

Bah...

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LOL!  How neat that both those wishes came true. I too would love to see what ol cheesy had to say back then. I know I was a punk and had a Mohawk and long hair at one point. I used to have half of you guys on aim and msn. I really had fun though. It was really an important thing for me back then. I would post and refresh the page in anticipation. Now it takes a 200 dollar iPod and a joint to get excited about anything...lol.

Thats how I remember you. The big anarchy avatar. I remember one time I said I didnt like you or something... Don't remember why lol and then Xavier was backing you up.

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I remember Xavier, actually I kind of miss him.

I just remember him having an ungodly post count, yet every post he made was like a 600 word essay.

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Yeah I remember. I had a pretty huge post count as well. What's that site that bought FunXbox? XboxAdvanced or something? Don't they have the old posts?

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*sniff*

Javy didn't loooove me!

I was a real ignorant dummy back then, I don't blame you.

Xavier was the shizzz.  I agreed with him on everything just to seem cool.

-E

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No it was very odd they deleted the posts but the post counts remained. All of us were on the top with our old accounts for years. Not sure if it still exists but I left not too long after the purchase. The new owner was a douche.

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Yeah, I remember I checked and there was a thread asking who we were since we had such high post counts and no posts. I think I was in the top 10....Xavier was number 1 obviously lol.

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Now it's xbox.kombo.com: http://forums.kombo.com/showthread.php?t=4078

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http://forums.kombo.com/member.php?u=3509

We're all still there. Notice my last activity. I think that was the day FunXbox's forums moved. I wish all those posts could be recovered those were my freshman and sophmore years of HS.

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Oh and Xavier is still #4. lol. Evan you're 11th. Italteen is quite high up there to as is Gameman. If you search members and go advanced you can set by post counts descending.

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Oh my god the memories!  Wow, I had more posts than I thought.  For a while there I was posting just to raise my count.  I remember someone PMing me (I think it was frostedflakes) and telling me to quit double posting.

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http://forums.kombo.com/member.php?u=2468

I'm there big_smile

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Haha I love that thread.

andre: "anybody who can rack up that many posts, for real, has no life. hate to judge, but that's just the truth." and now he has 6,392 posts.

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